TEDtalksDirector asked:
www.ted.com Speaking at the 2007 EG conference, trainer Ian Dunbar asks us to see the world through the eyes of our beloved dogs. By knowing our pets’ perspective, we can build their love and trust. It’s a message that resonates well beyond the animal world.
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Tags: Animal World, Beloved Dogs, Ian Dunbar, Love, Pets, Ted
June 17th, 2010 at 12:39 pm
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As always, Ian Dunbar ROCKS!
June 19th, 2010 at 11:19 pm
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@keeg021985
It was a civilized, interesting argument, though! (I didn’t read all of it but what I did read was intriguing)
June 21st, 2010 at 8:04 am
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I HAVE A MASTIFF WHO I TRAINED WITH REWARDS AN ALSO USING LEASH JERKS SCRUFF SHAKES AND POWER ROLLS WHO IS NOW TO NO ONES FAULT BUT MINE FOR TRAINING BEFORE PROPERLY EDUCATING MYSELF HAS ISSUES WITH AGGRESSION. I HAVE TRAINED MY 3 GREAT DANES, RED BONE AND RAT TERRIER USING POSITIVE REWARD BASED TRAINING WITHOUT THE USE OF ANY DOMINANCE WHO ALL COULD COMPETE IN OBEDIENCE COMPETITION WHO SHOW NO SIGNS OF AGGRESSION ARE BEING CERTIFIED FOR THERAPY WORK. CESARS METHODS ARE NOT NECESSARY
June 22nd, 2010 at 7:21 am
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BULLIES ARE VIEWED AS INSECURE IN THEMSELVES!!! PEOPLE WHO ARE IN CONTROL AND POWERFUL DO NOT NEED DOMINANCE TO GET THE REACTION THEY WANT OR NEED TO PROVE THEY ARE A LEADER OR POWERFUL. SCRUFF SHAKES, LEASH JERKS, POWER ROLLS AND ALL THAT IS NOT ANYTHING MORE THAN BULLYING YOUR DOG AND SHOWING YOUR DOG YOUR NOT IN CONTROL, YOU DO NOT NO AN EFFECTIVE WAY TO GET HIM TO DO WHAT YOU ASK AND THAT YOUR SIMPLY A BULLY WHO IS UNDESERVING OF HIS RESPECT AND NEEDS TO BE DOMINATED!
June 23rd, 2010 at 2:35 am
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THE IDEA OF DOMINATING YOUR DOG SO IT WILL NOT BE DOMINATING IS IGNORANCE. I CAN STAND OVER MY KIDS LIKE A DRILL SARGENT COMMANDING THEM TO DO THE THINGS I WANT THEM TO DO AND CHANCES ARE THEY WILL DO IT BUT A MORE EFFECTIVE AND EVEN QUICKER EASIER WAY TO DO IT IS TO SHOW THEM WHAT I EXPECT AND SEEING IT THROUGH. YOUR DOG MY LISTEN TO YOU USING DOMINANCE AND FEAR BUT 90 % OF THE TIME THEY WILL FREEZE UP AND IN THE END NOT RESPECT YOU.
June 23rd, 2010 at 8:00 am
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YOU CAN BE A STRONG MINDED PERSON BUT EVER BEEN SITTING IN A ROOM AND SOMEONE WALKS IN WHOSE PRESENCE ALONE IS INTIMIDATING? THIS IS THE ONLY CONTROL CESAR HAS OVER THE DOGS IN HIS SHOW. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO EXPECT THE DOGS ON HIS SHOW TO CONTINUE TO ACT THE SAME WAY WHEN CESAR IS NOT WITH THE DOG BECAUSE NOT EVERYONE THE DOG COMES IN CONTACT WITH WALKING DOWN THE STREET WILL HAVE THE SAME DEMEANOR SO THEREFORE IT IS NOT EFFECTIVE TRAINING.
June 25th, 2010 at 5:25 pm
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interesting, very very interesting.
June 28th, 2010 at 12:36 pm
Dog Lovers Mega Pack
we simply have a agreement she knows i am the leader and she can choose to obey or not if its trivial if it is important she knows i have a reason why
July 1st, 2010 at 2:45 pm
Dog Lovers Mega Pack
i never “trained” my dog more then to shit outside and to sit if theres soemthing good for her. and how to manipulate chicks.
I raised my dog as i would raise my child. she knows the diffrence between a genuine reason to shout and a me getting annoyed reason.
i never hurt her (except for one incidence she tried to wake me when she was a puppy and her razor sharp uppy teeth hit my balls lol in short puppy learned to fly)
but now dasy she is quite old by now
July 3rd, 2010 at 7:16 pm
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He will be in El Cerrito tommorrow for the grand opening of Bruce King Memorial Dog Park. I can’t wait!
July 4th, 2010 at 11:00 pm
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Makes you rethink the “training” process altogether!
Excellent, thank you!
July 5th, 2010 at 3:02 pm
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That is good news. After all how many times can I ask for actual citations so we can discuss actual data and the overstated conclusions many people have perpetuated. So in others words you can believe in the middle ground of agreeing about exercise (perhaps even of not rewarding unwanted behavior) but you won’t agree to anything else. That’s OK. It is actually in the middle. You ignore that observing the results of Cesar’s training activities is evidence. By definition. It was fun. Bye.
July 8th, 2010 at 9:37 pm
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Good news cschaffh: A favor to the readers: I will terminate this lame back and forth commenting we are engaged in. You remind me of a high school friend who told me he believed that one can be a scientist and still have a belief in a sky god or other things for which there is no evidence. Nope — the two are singularly contradictory. No true scientist can believe in a sky god or any other supernatural force, just as one can’t know the science of dog learning and still value Milan.
July 10th, 2010 at 12:02 am
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I emplore you to actually read what you write before clicking the ‘post comment’ button. Your sentences are filled mostly with inane ideas that you try to make relevant to some point that only you are aware of. Cesar Milan has NO training, education, or credentials in behavioral science or animal ethology, and knows no more about dogs than the cadre of ‘traditional’ trainers that have been pushing the same tired old methods since 1953. Cesar has only made dogs’ lives harder by perpetuating myths
July 11th, 2010 at 9:08 pm
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Yes, I do admit that the concept of ‘calm assertive’ is foreign to me, but that’s because no one, including Cesar (and he’s been challenged to do this) can define it or assert the criteria that chracterize it. Cesar adheres to ‘dominance theory,’ which is too complicated for him to actually understand, and he also believes that dogs are pack animals, which they’re not, and he believes in an erroneous concept referred to as an ‘alpha dog,’ which doesn’t exist.
July 14th, 2010 at 7:55 am
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Cesar has only one valuable lesson: provide as much exercise to your dog as the dog can tolerate. The rest of his chant is junk. I never asserted a ‘premise’ or ‘hypothesis.’ Using words like that does not confer credibility to your comments.
July 17th, 2010 at 12:42 pm
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So, credentials mean very little, eh? I’ve been told that a few times in my life, but only by people who didn’t have any credentials. Am I surprised?
July 20th, 2010 at 2:17 pm
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You disclosed your thinking when you stated you stood in the ‘middle ground’ between science and the junk of Milan — it was then that I concluded your comments were worthless.
July 22nd, 2010 at 8:20 am
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Science is not a vague reference to a single article with limited relevance to your hypothesis. Your hypothesis is clear: Science shows that everything Cesar teaches is wrong. aka “nothing to offer”, zero. I have already shown your premise false, so spending the next 7 years searching for data showing everything he says is false will be waste of time. Remember, I only criticized Dunbar’s tone of voice. Dunbar and Cesar may both be wrong at times. My argument is that you definitely are.
July 22nd, 2010 at 11:52 pm
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I’m still bothered by this. keeg, you actually admit that you don’t know what the hell Cesar means when he teaches his theories. Calm assertive body language is a cornerstone of his method. How can you criticize something you don’t understand and call it science? It is actually bias. In more rigorous fields, scientists will insist important experimental results are repeated and confirmed independently before fully accepting them. This is science.
July 23rd, 2010 at 4:44 am
Dog Lovers Mega Pack
I agree very few uniformed dog owners will use effective techniques to change a dog’s behavior, particularly aggression. I have spoken with several trainers who say only R+ should be used. At least you have started using comments like “almost”, rather than your previous knee jerk absolutist statements of before. It is concerning you did not bother to inform yourself what specific techniques I was for or against before your rant. Enjoy your career, I will enjoy my objective unbiased thinking.
July 25th, 2010 at 9:29 pm
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Unfortunately, credentials mean very little. 7 years of biased thinking is still biased thinking. Often times people use metaphors to explain concepts, I apologize if this was overly sophisticated. It was to point out that the study by design documented the results of uninformed dog owners. You (and others) choose to take the results to support unsubstantiated blanket statements. I am still interested in any additional relevant research, if you have any to provide.
July 27th, 2010 at 11:57 pm
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What is hypothetical research? I have never heard of such a thing. Also, the example of the ‘hypothetical research’ you give is out of left field and doesn’t relate whatsoever to using R+ methods to train dogs. Also, what the hell is ‘calm, assertive’ mean? Try getting away from the Cesar videos and go study animal ethology for 6-7 years, then come back and we can talk further.
July 30th, 2010 at 5:53 pm
Sit Stay Fetch, Good Dog!
To continue: Very few owners have the formal training and knowledge to use desensitivity and counter-conditioning methods to help a truly aggressive dog. What are you talking about? Who advises to reward a dog for aggressive behavior?
July 30th, 2010 at 6:14 pm
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You either don’t comprehend the studies, have been reading garbage, or sinply chose to make things up as you go along (just like Milan). Confrontational methods ‘can create agression of used incorrectly’? Confrontational methods are almost always incorrect in their use and almost always cause an increase in reactivity. Also, where did you read that R+ training with rewards is used to calm aggression? True aggression can never be cured by R+ training alone.